God Bless Wolf Crossing
Three years ago a rancher’s wife (Laura S.) in New Mexico started a blog she called Wolf Crossing [here]. The idea was to provide an Internet spot where local ranchers could get and give information about wolf packs that ranged on and off the Gila and Apache National Forests, where grazing allotments, private ranches, and ranch homes have been located for the past 150 years. The information included wolf locations, livestock depredation records, wolf program planning documents, public comment periods, and wolf release information.
The wolves (actually hybrid wolf-dogs) had been reared in kennels by USFWS employees and then dumped onto public and private properties in various places around New Mexico and Arizona, beginning in 2000. The wolf-dog captive rearing and release is part and parcel of the Mexican Gray Wolf Recovery Program [here].
The human-habituated wolf-dogs immediately began to prey on livestock and pets, and stalked adults and children around their homes, pastures, and right into schoolyards. In 2002 the San Carlos Apache Tribe passed a resolution requesting removal of all Mexican wolves from the Reservation. In 2003 a coalition of Arizona and New Mexico counties filed suit to terminate the program. The USFWS responded by initiating an Adaptive Management Oversight Committee (AMOC) to create some rational rules to control the most egregiously harmful predators.
In 2004 the U.S. Fish and Wildlife and AMOC promulgated Standard Operating Procedures that included SOP 13, a rule that called for removal of “3-strike” wolves, those that had been clearly identified as killing at least three head of livestock.
In practice, identifying the wolf-dog that killed livestock is very problematical, so the offending predator had to kill many more than three cattle, horses, other livestock, or pets to be slated for trapping and return to a USFWS kennel. Attacks on handlers didn’t count, and a wolf-dog that bit a USFWS employee was subsequently released just outside a NM community. Rarely have 3-strike wolf-dogs been shot outright by the Feds or by the harassed residents. Instead they have been trapped and returned to one of the USFWS kennels (now holding over 300 wolf-dogs).
Many (not all) of the human-habituated wolf-dogs were released with radio collars, and the USFWS had the capability of tracking the packs. The tracking was sporadic and the info not easily available to the public, until Wolf Crossing. Laura took it upon herself, with next to no financial support, to dig out the tracking records and post them on the Internet.
And so Wolf Crossing was born. Today Wolf Crossing is the premier wolf information site in the world. The tracking reports, AMOC rules, and every bit of wolf news is posted there: wolf terms, facts, diaries, photographs, maps, and wolf education in general. Wolf information from Montana to Mexico is reported daily, as is commentary from the world’s top wolf experts (and site visitors get to comment, too).
And Wolf Crossing has had an impact. The Center for Biological Diversity, a well-funded (over $4 million per year in revenues) wolf-advocacy group specializing in litigation, counts Wolf Crossing as one of their major foes. From the Wikipedia [here]:
Based in Tucson, Arizona, the Center is a not for profit membership organization supported by over 165,000 members and e-activists. The Center has offices and staff in Arizona, California, New Mexico, Oregon, Montana, Illinois, Minnesota, Alabama and Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1989 by Kieran Suckling, Peter Galvin, Todd Schulke, and Robin Silver.
Kieran Suckling, Peter Galvin, and Todd Schulke founded the Center in response to what they perceived as a failure on the part of the U.S. Forest Service to protect the ecosystems in its charge. As surveyors in New Mexico, the three men discovered “a rare Mexican spotted owl nest in an old-growth tree” – a discovery whose thrill was dampened by a second discovery: plans to hand that land over to timber companies. Although it was within the Forest Service’s mission to save sensitive species like the Mexican spotted owl from harm, they shirked this duty in deference to corporate interests.
Suckling, Galvin, and Schulke went to the media to register their outrage. This chapter in conservation history has a happy ending – after the men’s muckraking efforts in the press, the old-growth tree was allowed to stand, and it was from this early effort that the Center was born.
Initially, the Center focused on issues specific to the U.S. Southwest region, but today its purview extends worldwide, encompassing far-reaching problems such as climate change and other global threats to biological diversity. With a cadre of paid and pro bono attorneys, they mainly use litigation to effect change, claiming a 93 percent success rate for their lawsuits.
The CBD is a partner in nearly every enviro lawsuit these days, suing the government over polar bears, spotted owls, and especially wolves. In April the CBD filed a lawsuit against the USFWS demanding termination of Mexican Gray Wolf SOP 13 [here]. They do not like the rule that removes livestock-killing wolves. Ten enviro-litigious groups joined the CBD in their plea, and a week later two more joined, including former Earth First! founder Dave Foreman’s Rewilding Institute [here].
Members of New Mexico Association of Counties unanimously oppose the reintroduction of Mexican gray wolves into New Mexico [here], but the CBD prefers to target small ranchers rather than state-wide organizations of elected officials.
Last December High Country News ran a slanderous lie of an article, at the behest of the CBD, that claimed a New Mexican rancher had “baited” a wolf into killing his cows and calves [here]. How do you bait a wolf? According the article:
On June 21, he branded cattle less than a half-mile from the wolves’ den, the enticing aroma of seared flesh surely reaching the pack’s super-sensitive nostrils. Miller was, in essence, offering up a cow as a sacrifice.
But as Wolf Crossing points out [here], the branding pens have been in the same spot for over 100 years! The culprit was the USFWS that allowed radio-collared wolves to den within a half-mile.
The slander and smear campaign is part of the CBD’s litigation strategy. They hope to raise public ire against SOP 13 by claiming that ranchers are deliberately sacrificing cattle to wolves in order to get the wolves removed under SOP 13. That kind of twisted conspiracy would be ridiculous for a rancher to dream up or implement, but is SOP for the CBD.
To write the article HCN got discredited “attack” journalist John Dougherty, formerly a reporter for a drug and prostitution promoting rag, the Phoenix New Times News. In John’s own words [here]:
I soon honed the art of attack journalism.
Rather than sitting back and waiting for “newsmakers” to hold “press conferences” to spin their views, I dug into the underbelly of the beast. I loudly demanded information, often through the Arizona Public Records Law, which is vital to journalists providing the public with a better understanding of why their community is what it is.
The kind of journalism I practiced at New Times is not for the weak-hearted who want approval from the powerful and wealthy, or who want to be invited to lunch with the governor and to power brokers’ fancy parties.
Attack journalism inevitably leads to confrontation with powerful interests. That is why the in-your-face, irreverent, counterintuitive, f***-’em-all attitude at New Times was the place for a guy like me.
“Was the place” is right. In 2006 John left the perverse and new-agey PNTN for greener pastures. Now he does attack journalism for the impoverished CBD.
All that and more is revealed at Wolf Crossing. The premier wolf site on the Web does not shrink from the truth and so is a real thorn in the side to litigious liars.
Wolf Crossing is especially respected by the residents of Catron County, NM, as well as other rural counties across the Southwest. Wolf Crossing is their voice to the world. The stunning documentary Undue Burden-The Real Cost of Living With Wolves [here] was filmed in Catron Co. The “stars” in that film are the ranchers, children, schoolteachers, and other residents of a remote rural American community under attack by deep-pocket urban eco-activists.
The “lobo” is a creation of Walt Disney. The hybrid wolf-dog is a creation of the USFWS. Separating fact from fiction is what Wolf Crossing does best. And Laura does it with a big heart and compassion for her neighbors and even for the poor wolf-dogs. It is not their fault, after all, that they were kennel born-and-raised and then dumped onto the range to fend for themselves.
Rural residents, especially those engaged in animal husbandry, love animals. Only real animal lovers consider horses, dogs, cats, goats, and cows to be members of their family. The urban wolf advocates do not love animals; they use hybrid wolf-dogs as weapons in a power war, as killers of livestock, as stalkers of children, to drive humanity off the land.
Wolf Crossing cuts through the fog generated by urban wolf advocates with truth, compassion, and authenticity. It is simply the best wildlife/rural culture website in the Blogosphere.
God bless Wolf Crossing.
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Extra: Another eco-wacko, sue-happy group, the WildEarth Guardians, attacked Wolf Crossing directly in their latest fund-raiser letter [here]. That’s a sure sign of effectiveness when a little homespun blog is targeted by money-grubbing, eco-litigious, well-funded “non-profit” organizations.
Extra extra: For a good laugh, note the dorky picture at the last link of Robbie “A Cute Earring” Edwards, the new Director of Carnivore Recovery for WildEarth Guardians. Poor Robbie. In his letter he touts his ignorance as his main qualification for his new job.
by Fair Chase
It is well known that the Mexican gray wolf population stems from a few individual animals that were not purebred wolves. From the Mexican Wolf Recovery: Technical Component of the Five-Year Program Review and Assessment [here]:
Wolf extirpation in New Mexico was estimated around 1942 (Bednarz 1988); however less than 50 Mexican wolves still existed in Chihuahua and Durango, Mexico in 1980 (McBride 1980). Surveys in Mexico have not been able to confirm the presence of wolves in the wild (Carrera 1994) and it is very unlikely that a viable population in Mexico currently exists (Parsons 1996).
Five wolves (4 males and 1 pregnant female) were live-trapped in Mexico between 1977 and 1980 to establish a captive population known as the “Certified” lineage (Parsons 1998). Two other lineages, both from captive facilities in the U.S. and Mexico, were certified for the captive breeding population in 1995 (Hedrick et al. 1997). These wolves were classified as the “Aragon” and “ Ghost Ranch” lineages making a total of seven original founders of the Mexican wolf captive breeding population.
The Ghost Ranch and Aragon “wolves” were distinctly dog-like in appearance, see [here]. Biologist Roy McBride wrote in 1997:
I was shocked to see that the wolves from the Ghost Ranch lineage were being included in the captive breeding program. In the early days of the Mexican Wolf recovery, the origin and genetics of the Ghost Ranch animals were discussed and investigated ad nauseam. In fact, the conclusion by all members of the early recovery team was that the animals were wolf-dog hybrids.
No DNA testing was done at the time (exacting DNA tests were not available then) or since. Wolves and coyotes are known to interbreed, and the Mexican gray wolves look much more like coyotes than Canadian wolves. Many are spotted and brindled like typical mongrel dogs. As is clear in the documentary Undue Burden, some look more like Airedales.
The “lobo” is extinct. The inbred animals that the MGW program is breeding and releasing are not pure wolves. The gene pool is polluted. The USFWS refuses to do genetic testing, because hybrid populations are not protected under the ESA, and that would be the end of the program and the money.
by Fair Chase
Gotta call you on this one:
“International experts rate recovery of the Mexican wolf subspecies as the highest priority of all Gray Wolf recovery programs. Studies of DNA have shown they are not contaminated with genetic material from coyotes or other strains as some feared, and are in fact the most genetically distinct North American wolf breed - strongly supporting their classification as a distinct subspecies. (see Garcia-Moreno, J., Matocq, M.D., Roy, M.S., Geffen, E. & Wayne, R. K. (1996), Relationships and Genetic Purity of the Endangered Mexican Wolf Based on Analysis of Microsatellite Loci. Conservation Biology. 10: 376-389.) ”
“Two other lineages of captive wolves have recently been added to the Mexican wolf studbook. The “Ghost Ranch” lineage is derived from two wolves taken from the wild in 1959 and 1961. The “Aragon” lineage is derived from wolves originating at the Chapultepec Zoo in the mid-1970s. The wild origin of the Aragon lineage’s ancestors is not known, but it is thought that they are unrelated to either the Ghost Ranch lineage or the McBride lineage. The Ghost Ranch lineage was not previously included in the studbook because of unsubstantiated claims that the founding sire was a wolf/dog hybrid.The Aragon lineage was not previously included in the studbook because the wild origin of the founders was not known and determination of wolf
subspecies by morphological means alone was not generally accepted. Genetic investigations of all three lineages were initiated to resolve these and other genetic questions. Phil Hedrick of Arizona State University and the Genetics Committee of the Mexican Wolf Recovery Team reviewed this research and concluded that all three lineages were pure Canis lupus baileyi. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service officially accepted this opinion in July of 1995 as did the Mexican wolf SSP at its annual meeting at the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo.”
Also, your links did not work. The notion that the USFWS would refuse to do genetic testing is absurd on it’s face. Please provide REAL data, information, studies, to back up your claims….or STOP MAKING THEM.
by Fair Chase
I just reviewed the Technical Section of the Mexican Wolf Blue Range Reintroduction Project 5-Year Review.
There are several references to the genetic work done to insure the purity of the reintroduced wolves. There is one section that tells how a litter of hybrids had been euthenized to protect genetics of the wolves.
So, I want to affirm that the wolf-dog hybrid stuff is demonstrably false. How did you ever come up with this nonsense? The honest thing to do is to clean up your record.
Sorry, Fair, I loaded those docs late last night and goofed up the links. They work now.
You might note that my docs post-date your docs. Your info is old, out-of-date, and funky.
If you have some up-to-date info to back up YOUR claims, then please produce it. Otherwise, stop making them, unless you feel like you have some sort of right to make claims.
Of course, this being America, I extend that right to you, and even permit you the privilege making your out-of-date and funky claims on my site. Generous of me, isn’t it? There’s certainly no law that says I have to.
And btw, the notion that the USFWS hides data, subverts the law, has hidden agendas, operates with indiscretion, and bullies, badgers, and extorts other agencies and private citizens is not novel to me or to this website. It is also fairly common knowledge.
by Fair Chase
Mike,
Here is what I did. I went to YOUR link to the Wolf Recovery website. I then went to the “technical” discussion and did a pdf search for “dna” & “genetics” in that document. Up came several accounts of the genetic work that had been done to confirm the purity of the reintroduced wolves. In addition, as I previously mentioned, there was the account of the hybrids that were killed to avoid contaminating the gene pool.
Pretty compelling, I would say. Now if you have information to the contrary, you should provide it.
Thanks
by Fair Chase
PS Mike,
I also read McBride’s letter and the cordial and voluminous response from the USFWS. McBride is obviously an experienced field biologist, but he is no molecular biologist. It is difficult to understand how you would have his observation trump the hard science that was done.
This is why I am extremely uncomfortable with your wolf-dog hybrid assertion. It seems thoroughly discredited. So, If you have any hard evidence, my mind is open. Is yours?
The genetic work done in the mid-1990’s was highly controversial and not substantiated by independent researchers.
Today the genetic work is done in-house and is also not subject to independent verification. Moreover, it does not use methods that would identify dog or coyote genes in the parent population. Genetic testing is only done on litters born “out of season” based on a questionable hypothesis over 35 years old which has never been verified.
You stated, more or less, that morphology is not indicative of genotype. Yet in canids it very much is. The morphological variations in the Mexican gray wolf population are extreme. The animals released look nothing like the wolf in the picture at the MGW website.
The question may be settled within the legal framework of the USFWS, but it is not in my estimation. I am sorry my wolf-dog assertion makes you uncomfortable, but there it is. The cost of the MGW program in both dollars and in violation of human rights is very high. Those of us who respect and seek to protect Constitutional and God-given human rights demand a greater accountability when the government seeks to usurp them.
I speculate that if the government loosed killer predators in your back yard, and those predators killed your pets and livestock and terrorized your family, and the government refused to give you due process or just compensation for your losses, you might demand some higher level of accountability yourself.
We have a problem with the rending of the social fabric in this country. It is not the innocent ranchers who seek to diminish the rights of distant urbanites, but the other way around. However, when the social fabric and our Constitutional form of government is perverted and torn, everyone suffers. I am sorry that message does not seem to resonate, either.
by Fair Chase
Mike,
I do not suggest, directly or indirectly, that morphology is not indicative of genotype. But without question, if you are tying to establish geneology, genotype trumps all.
Wolves have been introduced in my backyard - Idaho. They are literally in my backyard. I am pretty happy seeing the wolves when I hike and hunt. We don’t feel terrorized at all. A few of my rancher friends are concerned with depredation, but they are dealing with it - some are profiting! Depredation by wolves, has been very small compared to other predator and minuscule compared to weather and disease.
Out here, the rending (not “renting”) of the social fabric has been by poisonous, radical groups like “Save Our Elk”.
We all know that, when it comes to wildlife, the big threat is loss of habitat - the wolves are a silly sideshow.
You seem to see a dark, conspiratorial world where the government is the enemy. Govt is certainly clumsy, but I know an enormous number of very smart, principled people that work in the Public Agencies.
Finally, it appeared that all the wolf genetics was done outside the agencies.
Whoops — I meant “rending.” Thanks for the correction. I spend so much effort correcting the typos in commenters’ copy that I sometimes miss my own (wink!).
A few of us know that, when it comes to wildlife, predator/prey relations govern population levels, not habitat. Most vertebrates, like wolves, are adapted to a huge variety of habitats, vegetation types, and climates. The habitat argument is specious and unscientific in most cases.
Wolves are not a silly sideshow when they stalk your children and kill your livestock. You may enjoy their presence; others do not. That does not give you the right to inflict what pleases you upon others. As far as I know, Save Our Elk has not imposed on you, but I myself fence deer and elk out of my property. I am not happy to provide “habitat” to government game animals without compensation, any more than I allow my neighbor’s horses to graze in my garden.
And I know a tremendous number of not-so-smart, unprincipled people that collect government paychecks.
Finally, it appears that you do not understand what “independent research” means. Government (including public universities) researchers dependent on funding from the USFWS are not independent operators. That problem is severe and widespread, and has led to some catastrophic failures, such as the combo spotted owl population/rural economy crash here in Oregon over the last 18 years, and our expanding crisis of forest destruction from megafires.
Your backyard, Idaho, suffered some of the worst megafires in history last summer. Dark and conspiratorial government agency mismanagement and corrupt, bogus science was the cause. Clumsy doesn’t begin to describe it.
Fair Chase and Mike:
Thanks for the informed and lively discussion! I’ve learned lots, and enjoyed myself while doing so.
I am not a geneticist so I won’t comment on the genetic purity, or lack thereof, of the captive wolf-breeding program. In general, I trust the California condor breeders when it comes to these issues and am suspicious of the wolf breeders.
I am familiar with government-funded “scientific research findings” and with Idaho wildfire history, however. The loss of habitat to this single cause is costly, ugly, unnecessary and unprecedented.
Taxpayer financed agenda-based science, as Mike describes, is largely responsible for this expensive fiasco so far as I can tell. Government-sanctioned environmental sciences research has been marked by arrogance and catastrophic failure at nearly every turn for several decades, and I suspect wolf genetic studies are not immune to this pattern.
Whether conspiracy is involved or not is another question. A government-funded statistician I know made the observation that, outwardly, incompetence and sabotage appear to be identical — but in reality, failure can be tied to incompetence 97% of the time. I think the same is possibly true for conspiracy (and maybe for wolf genetics): incompetence is a likelier cause of failure than conspiracy.
Agendas that pit wildlife against basic human rights are bad-hearted from the start. That is the source of the conspiracy and the darkness. Incompetence is no excuse.
by Joe B.
I don’t feel like getting too largely involved in the wolf debate
Idaho believes they have about 700 wolves [some say 3,000] and this year they will be hunted [maybe, but just a few, not enough to stop the population surge].
Yes, it is neat, even cool, to hear a wolf howling while out camping, I can’t say I’m in the camp that shoots out every wolf sign they see in the Idaho backcountry. However, something that is not neat or cool at all are the instances where I have seen wolves and bears in town, eating out of dumpsters during our lovely fire seasons when all their habitat is destroyed.
There seems to be no overall driving mission when you consider the reintroduction of these animals juxtaposed with the current policy to incinerate the places where they should be living. As the forests are incinerated, and as the elk and deer populations are forced to move into populated valleys, there is no other place for the wolves to go but to follow. Then depredation will logically increase as domestic stocks are easier to kill than are wild elk and deer.
Incompetence is no excuse, and yet that is the most oft used excuse by the government.
Don’t look into what we have not done, don’t ask us why we didn’t do that, don’t criticize us for letting that happen, why that only happened because George Bush got us involved in a war in Iraq, they have said.
What does that have to do with the price of cheese anyway?
If the war argument falls flat, as it always should, then it’s George Bush and his oil cronies are responsible for global warming and climate change and climate change will just mean we have more wicked fire seasons.
These are the lame excuses offered by the incompetent people (not all of them, but many of them) in the USFS.
Let me put it to you this way. When I pay for anything, I am paying for a result, not a service. This should be the same with my tax dollars and I’m not seeing the results I paid for.
I’m seeing wolves reintroduced against the prevailing will of the people of Idaho. Then within a short matter of a decade, I’m seeing those wolves being flushed out of the wildernesses they should be living in to come live with the people because the habitat has been burned to the dirt.
And this disconnect is troubling. It is sad that when I have friends visit me, and they ask to see a bear or a wolf, and all I need do is drive them to any dumpster behind any restaurant in town at an early hour in the morning. Is that the noble scene you came to see, I generally ask them.
Look at how wild and free those great predators are, look at how they hunted down that dumpster, look at them lick the grease off the sides. Look at that alpha male wolf running across the street with a half-eaten sub from Subway.
I believe the term is cognitive dissonance, but I may be wrong. [You are right, Joe, but some prefer the phrase "rude awakening."]
by Wild
Great Job! WolfCrossing.org is so important, like this site, for educating people as to what is really going on with the land, animals, and how their tax dollars are being squandered.
I cannot even think how much it costs to track a wolf for 3 weeks because he hurt his foot. We have children in the US without health care and living below the poverty line. So the priorities that are currently in place say that a wolf with a hurt foot is more valuable than children with all kinds of medical and other needs.
by frankly tired
I have a family of wolf-dogs that were going to be “cut-loose” by their previous “owner”…I took them in- to prevent a possibly bad situation for them, and the area that they would have been turned out into. I have had them, and their offspring for the past 11 yrs. My ranching neighbors are quite impressed by their skills at keeping the Mt. Lion and coyotes away from their herds. Haven’t had but one ‘incident’, involving a 3 mo. old puppy who was attempting to play with a calf, and inadvertently injured it. Calf grew up and became someone’s freezer stock eventually. Have a grandchild, born here, who plays with them, and they protect her. I get weary of all this ‘Little Red Riding Hood’ mentality. ANY animal can be a problem if it doesn’t have food, and a decent habitat. Even humans. Maybe that should be ‘especially’ humans. Contrary to popular myth, we do not “own’ this world. We live amongst many, many other species- who have just as much birth right here as we do. Maybe it is time that we recognized that ALL life is a continuity. All things are related. ALL beings are INTERdependent. They cannot exist without each other .They DO NOT exist without each other.
Don’t ever think you know what’s right for the other guy. They might just start thinking they know what is right for YOU.
Those who think man is important because he is so neatly in the middle of things fails to see that EVERYTHING is right smack dab in the middle of its own range of perception,as well. And for those of you that rely on the ‘God gave man dominion’ theory, it might serve you well to remember that the word dominion actually means “to take care of”.
Their is no bad guy- it’s just us- all of us. Each doing what they think is best. Yes, we tend to bungle along- but, hopefully, we are learning by doing so. No one’s closet is skeleton-free. There are good people working in our gov’t., and good people working as activists to help others(be they human, plant, other species). Awareness goes a long way- awareness about our own failings, and awareness about how to get along, awareness about the environment, awareness of every critter and species that we share this planet with.
As for the gov’t., we have a SELF-regulating system in place. If we CHOOSE to let others regulate it for us, instead of doing so our selves, well, then why complain about what a rotten job they do? You have a choice- let someone else regulate for you,or be self-regulating.(Yes, it’s a big responsibility- especially while you are trying to make a living- but the choice is still yours).
Maybe a little compassion for what we all share might be a good thing. Every animal, species, human I’ve met seems to share basic needs- food, shelter, and someone who gives a darn. How much effort does it take to get along with ALL your neighbors- whether they are ‘human’ or not?
Looking at all species- even our own, WITHOUT a monetary consideration involved, may be a more productive means in achieving a state of compassion for our mutual home.
According to popular ’scripture’,'God’ did not just create humans- but ALL life, including our home- my implication here is not to draw from religion, but instead, point out that what we all share- LIFE- is precious, and worthy of our compassion,respect, and honor.Learn to understand your ‘adversaries’. They are no different than you.
by NORDICBERT
Hey Folks, let’s not forget that Gray Wolves are an indigenous species that’s inhabited North America for over 20,000 years. White folks and livestock are invasive species that showed up about 400 years ago (ever heard of prior rights?). Manifest Destiny is BS (who gave man the right to play the role of the Creator? To decide which animals have the right to exist?). Killing animals for “sport” (Sport hunting or Thrill Killing as it should properly be known), is sick and twisted (nobody eats Wolves)! We’re not cave men anymore, we don’t need to kill animals in order to survive (leave that up to the slaughter houses). Animals managed themselves just fine for thousands of years before white folks showed up and started destroying everything for their own selfish purposes. More species have been driven to extinction in the last 400 years in North Amercica than in the previous 4000 years due to mans ignorance and arrogance.Hunting is a tradition? So was slavery, segragation and denying women the right to vote. All of those “traditions” are now gone because they were bad traditions. We all need to learn to coexist and share the earth. Wolves have just as much right to live here as man does. Please share the planet and stop being so brutal, savage and inhumane. Treat our creators creations as you would like to be treated. Is that really asking too much?
Hey NORDI — easy on the racist hate rant, pal.
It might behoove you to consider that gray wolves came over the same land bridge that humans did, and at the same time. So, pal, humans are just as indigenous to North America as wolves. And human beings have been killing wolves the whole time too.
Actual human beings. Not some lesser species. Not some lesser race, so unimportant that you can discount their existence or humanity.
You are wrong about extinctions. You are wrong about hunting. Your discourse on “rights” indicates that you don’t know what rights even are.
You are a racist pig, NORDI. And an ass. But I don’t need to explain that, since you hang yourself with your own words.
Wolf-dog? Hybrid? Please document that claim. I am sceptical.