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	<title>Comments for Rural Culture</title>
	<link>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul</link>
	<description>W.I.S.E. Colloquium: Rural Culture</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 05:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Animals whose behavior changes near their life&#8217;s end by Julie Kay Smithson</title>
		<link>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/06/03/animals-whose-behavior-changes-near-their-lifes-end/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Kay Smithson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sylvia, thanks for sharing about Vissa, too. Please do email me a photo or two of him and know that you are in my thoughts and prayers as the final scene approaches. Hugs from me and slurps from Wiggles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sylvia, thanks for sharing about Vissa, too. Please do email me a photo or two of him and know that you are in my thoughts and prayers as the final scene approaches. Hugs from me and slurps from Wiggles</p>
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		<title>Comment on Animals whose behavior changes near their life&#8217;s end by Sylvia</title>
		<link>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/06/03/animals-whose-behavior-changes-near-their-lifes-end/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/06/03/animals-whose-behavior-changes-near-their-lifes-end/#comment-85</guid>
		<description>My Vissa is also "distancing," I notice.  He was 30 this past May, always beautiful and more so with age. Bought him at age 30 days and had his companionship since 5 mo. old.  Thousands of miles together and his legs without blemish still.  I, too, am "distancing" but will not help in the final scene.  Thanks for sharing.  xo Sylvia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Vissa is also &#8220;distancing,&#8221; I notice.  He was 30 this past May, always beautiful and more so with age. Bought him at age 30 days and had his companionship since 5 mo. old.  Thousands of miles together and his legs without blemish still.  I, too, am &#8220;distancing&#8221; but will not help in the final scene.  Thanks for sharing.  xo Sylvia</p>
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		<title>Comment on Animals whose behavior changes near their life&#8217;s end by Julie Kay Smithson</title>
		<link>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/06/03/animals-whose-behavior-changes-near-their-lifes-end/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Kay Smithson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/06/03/animals-whose-behavior-changes-near-their-lifes-end/#comment-84</guid>
		<description>Pati, yes, I remember our visit to your "Little House on the Prairie" in the Wet Mountain Valley, not far from Salida Pass and Poncha Pass! With your kids, my mom, Allan and Marilyn Conder, we had a grand visit! We've sure had some wonderful chapters in our lives, with more yet to come! I'm so glad you commented! Love, Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pati, yes, I remember our visit to your &#8220;Little House on the Prairie&#8221; in the Wet Mountain Valley, not far from Salida Pass and Poncha Pass! With your kids, my mom, Allan and Marilyn Conder, we had a grand visit! We&#8217;ve sure had some wonderful chapters in our lives, with more yet to come! I&#8217;m so glad you commented! Love, Julie</p>
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		<title>Comment on Animals whose behavior changes near their life&#8217;s end by Pati</title>
		<link>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/06/03/animals-whose-behavior-changes-near-their-lifes-end/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>Pati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/06/03/animals-whose-behavior-changes-near-their-lifes-end/#comment-83</guid>
		<description>Julie,

I remember meeting Smoke in Colorado, and still have the picture of you and me up on the hill... you on Smoke and me on Babe, my big bay mare. We are the Mutt and Jeff! Both horses came to find a place of love and peace, and we will remember them forever! Thanks for sharing a beautiful story.

Your Friend, Pati</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie,</p>
<p>I remember meeting Smoke in Colorado, and still have the picture of you and me up on the hill&#8230; you on Smoke and me on Babe, my big bay mare. We are the Mutt and Jeff! Both horses came to find a place of love and peace, and we will remember them forever! Thanks for sharing a beautiful story.</p>
<p>Your Friend, Pati</p>
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		<title>Comment on The People Who Lived Among the Clouds by Mike</title>
		<link>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/05/20/the-people-who-lived-among-the-clouds/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 02:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/05/20/the-people-who-lived-among-the-clouds/#comment-65</guid>
		<description>They still exist. Follow the links. Read their story. 

It wasn't climate change that reduced their numbers, stole their land, and drove them onto reservations like cattle. Justice demands the perpetrator of their suffering make reparations, including return of their land.

The U.S. Government is the criminal perp in this matter, and their management of the former Lemhi Shoshone lands is criminal, too. Moreover, the Lemhi Shoshone are not asking for return of the entire Salmon River watershed, as is their rightful due, but a few thousand acres of formerly sacred land, where their ancestors are buried.

Property rights are human rights, and theirs have been violated. We need to make amends and restore the God-given human rights of the Lemhi Shoshone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They still exist. Follow the links. Read their story. </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t climate change that reduced their numbers, stole their land, and drove them onto reservations like cattle. Justice demands the perpetrator of their suffering make reparations, including return of their land.</p>
<p>The U.S. Government is the criminal perp in this matter, and their management of the former Lemhi Shoshone lands is criminal, too. Moreover, the Lemhi Shoshone are not asking for return of the entire Salmon River watershed, as is their rightful due, but a few thousand acres of formerly sacred land, where their ancestors are buried.</p>
<p>Property rights are human rights, and theirs have been violated. We need to make amends and restore the God-given human rights of the Lemhi Shoshone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The People Who Lived Among the Clouds by Julie S.</title>
		<link>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/05/20/the-people-who-lived-among-the-clouds/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 01:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/05/20/the-people-who-lived-among-the-clouds/#comment-64</guid>
		<description>I am sorry, but cannot figure out how to give these places back to a people whose apparently last member was 115 years old in the early years of the twentieth century. If the people no longer exist, and their culture has been lost (how many could live in those places today without coming down off the mountains in the winter?), how can they be given back the lands? Like many before them, they are part of a people that have gone extinct. Can we hold them in our hearts and memories thanks to the telling of their existence by historians without taking a guilt trip and overreacting to those emotions? I think we can. 

There are no more Aztecs, or Incas, or Vikings, yet we do not seek to give extinct people land any more than we would responsibly try to give an extinct species of plant or animal "habitat." If it's gone, there's no point in giving it anything of substance beyond keeping its memory alive as accurately as possible. 

Climate change may have played a role in the demise of this people, just like it more recently played a role in the demise of the farmers of Greenland, albeit the change was a cooling (cold spell), not warming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry, but cannot figure out how to give these places back to a people whose apparently last member was 115 years old in the early years of the twentieth century. If the people no longer exist, and their culture has been lost (how many could live in those places today without coming down off the mountains in the winter?), how can they be given back the lands? Like many before them, they are part of a people that have gone extinct. Can we hold them in our hearts and memories thanks to the telling of their existence by historians without taking a guilt trip and overreacting to those emotions? I think we can. </p>
<p>There are no more Aztecs, or Incas, or Vikings, yet we do not seek to give extinct people land any more than we would responsibly try to give an extinct species of plant or animal &#8220;habitat.&#8221; If it&#8217;s gone, there&#8217;s no point in giving it anything of substance beyond keeping its memory alive as accurately as possible. </p>
<p>Climate change may have played a role in the demise of this people, just like it more recently played a role in the demise of the farmers of Greenland, albeit the change was a cooling (cold spell), not warming.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Food For Thought by Mike</title>
		<link>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/04/23/food-for-thought/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/04/23/food-for-thought/#comment-30</guid>
		<description>First eliminate God. Then eliminate morality. Then enslave the masses and rob them of their means to survive. Same old story, same old perpetrators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First eliminate God. Then eliminate morality. Then enslave the masses and rob them of their means to survive. Same old story, same old perpetrators.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Food For Thought by Mary Macnab</title>
		<link>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/04/23/food-for-thought/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Macnab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/04/23/food-for-thought/#comment-29</guid>
		<description>I say let it all come back home. Local sustainable use of resources is by far the most stable economy on the planet. Local use best survives economic, political or any other potential instability. It does not require a long chain of middlemen and profiteers, shipping containers traveling vast distances at great loss of fuel and nutrition, and added cost for an often inferior product.

The world wide campaign by those who would control all the basic resources necessary for life leads to starvation by politics. Removing all local ability or incentive to harvest trees for shelter, crops for food, and streams for water for life is an elite insanity designed for the most ultimate control of all resources including human 'capital'.

I think that's the way the big guys see it. Control the food and $, control the people, for profit. Haiti and Mexico didn't ask to have their local staff of life production destroyed. This was orchestrated by those who stood to profit by financial gain and control of an ever larger piece of the pie. Those lands were intentionally flooded with inferior grade grains sorely undercutting local production to its death.

If a human landscape no longer suits the big guys needs for ever more resources, they now have a very effective tool for changing that landscape - engineered starvation. It's happening all over the world, yet still seems so far away to most of the distracted ones in our country - but it is all in place here as well. 

Those who have been 'removed' from local solutions to the very necessities of life become helpless and hopeless. We in this country have been almost totally removed from any remedy should the soulless wonders of the morally degenerate 'elite' decide its time for us to go as they find a more personally profitable use for the landscape.

Local production by and for local people trumps all others in every way that's good for the land and the people. A plan without morals is not sustainable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say let it all come back home. Local sustainable use of resources is by far the most stable economy on the planet. Local use best survives economic, political or any other potential instability. It does not require a long chain of middlemen and profiteers, shipping containers traveling vast distances at great loss of fuel and nutrition, and added cost for an often inferior product.</p>
<p>The world wide campaign by those who would control all the basic resources necessary for life leads to starvation by politics. Removing all local ability or incentive to harvest trees for shelter, crops for food, and streams for water for life is an elite insanity designed for the most ultimate control of all resources including human &#8216;capital&#8217;.</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s the way the big guys see it. Control the food and $, control the people, for profit. Haiti and Mexico didn&#8217;t ask to have their local staff of life production destroyed. This was orchestrated by those who stood to profit by financial gain and control of an ever larger piece of the pie. Those lands were intentionally flooded with inferior grade grains sorely undercutting local production to its death.</p>
<p>If a human landscape no longer suits the big guys needs for ever more resources, they now have a very effective tool for changing that landscape - engineered starvation. It&#8217;s happening all over the world, yet still seems so far away to most of the distracted ones in our country - but it is all in place here as well. </p>
<p>Those who have been &#8216;removed&#8217; from local solutions to the very necessities of life become helpless and hopeless. We in this country have been almost totally removed from any remedy should the soulless wonders of the morally degenerate &#8216;elite&#8217; decide its time for us to go as they find a more personally profitable use for the landscape.</p>
<p>Local production by and for local people trumps all others in every way that&#8217;s good for the land and the people. A plan without morals is not sustainable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Food For Thought by Mike</title>
		<link>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/04/23/food-for-thought/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://westinstenv.org/rurcul/2008/04/23/food-for-thought/#comment-21</guid>
		<description>Vargas Llosa is absolutely correct. Subsidies and tariffs have destroyed the family farm in the U.S. and led to social and environmental degradation, as well as artificially high food prices. Agriculture is the original source of human innovation and entrepreneurship. Government interference has stymied those in agriculture, just as it has corrupted other economic sectors. Let the market determine the highest and best use of land, not collectivist socio-political movements. Cobden and Bright acted in the tradition of Adam Smith and David Hume, whose philosophies have stood the test of time.

Collectivist and authoritarian interference in agriculture has caused mass starvation again and again throughout history, from the Irish Potato Famine, to Stalin's genocide in the Ukraine, to modern day starvation in sub-Saharan Africa. 

The current global warming insanity is resulting in mass starvation in the poorest countries in the world. That "unintended consequence" of political hysteria in the developed countries is unconscionable. Extortionist international energy policies are much to blame, but the protectionist reaction is equally culpable. Open all doors, and let innovation in. We will all be better off for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vargas Llosa is absolutely correct. Subsidies and tariffs have destroyed the family farm in the U.S. and led to social and environmental degradation, as well as artificially high food prices. Agriculture is the original source of human innovation and entrepreneurship. Government interference has stymied those in agriculture, just as it has corrupted other economic sectors. Let the market determine the highest and best use of land, not collectivist socio-political movements. Cobden and Bright acted in the tradition of Adam Smith and David Hume, whose philosophies have stood the test of time.</p>
<p>Collectivist and authoritarian interference in agriculture has caused mass starvation again and again throughout history, from the Irish Potato Famine, to Stalin&#8217;s genocide in the Ukraine, to modern day starvation in sub-Saharan Africa. </p>
<p>The current global warming insanity is resulting in mass starvation in the poorest countries in the world. That &#8220;unintended consequence&#8221; of political hysteria in the developed countries is unconscionable. Extortionist international energy policies are much to blame, but the protectionist reaction is equally culpable. Open all doors, and let innovation in. We will all be better off for it.</p>
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